My Final Thoughts on the White vs. Pinto Debate

When I wrote my last post, I didn’t think it would get responses from anyone. I have a very small number of people who follow my blog, after all, and I’m not seeking to gather a following.

Since its publication, however, my blog was posted over at the CARM forums and on Chris Pinto’s website. I was told that the re-posters wanted to do this, and I’m okay with that, but I want to clarify some things.

1. I am not an advocate of KJV Onlyism.

2. I am a supporter (i.e. Fan, not financial supporter) of Alpha and Omega Ministries. I’ve learned much from Dr. White and I hope to learn more from him in the future through his podcasts.

3. In saying that Dr. White lost the debate, I’m not saying that his position is wrong. Nor am I saying that Chris Pinto’s position is right.

This is something that could easily get lost in the cacophony of voices online discussing the debate.

4. I am still learning about these things. But I can comment on these issues as an audience member seeking to learn more and hash things out for myself. This is one of the reasons why publicly moderated debates can be helpful.

5. I have watched and enjoyed Chris Pinto’s film A Lamp in the Dark. I’ve also recently listened/watched Tares Among the Wheat and also enjoyed that. Likewise, I’ve enjoyed his podcast, which I only recently discovered.

I’m writing this post because I want to make it known that I am not working with/for Mr. Pinto or with/for anyone else. I was simply expressing my opinion regarding who won the debate.

I don’t want to be engaged in the postdebate debate, so I will not be commenting on the issue further.

Soli Deo Gloria



5 thoughts on “My Final Thoughts on the White vs. Pinto Debate

  1. Steven Avery says:

    Sound good.

    One tweak. On CARM I referenced your blog post and extracted about one paragraph (they did not allow urls to your blog or your CARM profile) … and the excellent blog post was discussed. it was all clearly indicated that yours was an independent blog, and this was clear in the Chris Pinto page and radio show as well. (Although there was an incorrect claim otherwise.)

    Thanks for your your excellent input!

    Steven Avery


  2. ic2manywords says:

    I found your analysis fascinating. Tares Among the Wheat was available free on Amazon Prime, and when I can’t sleep, documentaries, especially with single narrators, help me to fall asleep. When they fail to do that, I often learn something. I somehow managed to see the whole documentary, and began to investigate this. I haven’t watched the debate yet, but find myself a little confused. Textus receptus is also collated together from what was judged to be the best texts, with, I am sure, the translator weighing which ones are more accurate and what to include and exclude. To me, the newer texts are a continuing process of scholarship and understanding, not some kind of capricious revision.

    Am I missing something? Until I read the KJV only side of things, it never occurred to me to think that finding older texts and comparing them and seeing where comments, etc., might have accidentally been transcribed into new copies and making changes, etc., with notes to reflect changes would be such a bad thing.


  3. Steven Avery says:


    There has been much discovered since the times of the debate. Incredibly we can see that the 1859 Tischendorf heist was tampered by having the manuscript coloured. The Leipzig pages of 1844 are “snow-white”. Both heists are flexible, supple, with life that belies the claim that they were heavily used for 1000+ years (and then stored for 500 more).

    Codex Sinaiticus Mathematicus

    There is much more but that element is a good starting point.

    Steven Avery


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